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31May/092

The Scandinavian Mile

Finally after 10 months here, I've adjusted to the European (and global for that matter) systems of measure.

Distance (kilometers, meters)
Volume (liters, centiliters)
Weight/mass (grams, kilograms)
Temperature (celsius/centigrade)
All are so much more intuitive than the screwed up English system and fahrenheit. The only reprieve I get from the European mockery of our systems of measure is the fact that our language is far easier to learn and I usually throw that back in their faces.
"We might measure things idiotically in feet and inches, but our language is so easy, even YOU want to speak it. BOOM!"
Then I heard about the Swedish mile (also known as the Scandinavian mile). The mil is primarily used in Sweden and Norway, and from what I understand is still a commonly-used measure of distance in spoken language, though not on signs.
According to Wikipedia's definition of Scandinavian mile, it's the equivalent of 10 kilometers, which makes the mil even larger than our English mile's already obnoxious 5,280 feet. (1609.344 meters).  However this wasn't always the case. I guess Sweden's and Norway's definition of Scandinavian feet differed at some point, meaning that there were once two definitions of mil. When the country's went metric, they reset the mil to 10km.
So now I have to learn an outdated, retired measure of distance for the purposes of chumming it up with some Swedes over a few shots of aquavit.
Swede: "So how many mils do you think it is from here to Oslo?"
Rommy: "I don't know...like 100?"
Swede: "Oj. Idiotisk Amerikansk."
What I can't understand for the life of me (and maybe one of you Swedes reading this can help me out) is, 120 years after the metric system was enforced as the national system of distance measure, how it is that young people of today still talk in mils.
Seeing as mils aren't really written anywhere, where did you learn about the mil (Grandparents? School? Swedish dance bands? Abba???) and how do you typically use it (it's .05 mils from here to the nearest Ikea)? 
  • rommy
    Thanks very much for the fantastic explanation, David! Much appreciated.


    Super interesting to hear the instances in which it is and isn't used and I can understand its usage in speaking of long distances, particularly in Sweden.
  • David Ekstrand
    The "grandparents" suggestion is probably pretty close to the mark, in the sense that obviously it's something which is transmitted outside of officialdom. But since everyone uses it and since it's defined in metric terms, it's just like another metric unit. And your suggestion about Ikea is also fairly sensible - it doesn't seem too strange to say "Det är en halvmil till närmsta Ikea" but we usually use it as a very handy term for distances where we don't need very exact measures. If you Google the phrase "det är 100 mil" (as in, for instance, it's 1,000 km from Stockholm to Kiruna) you get a couple hundred hits, but if you Google "det är 1000 km" or "det är 1000 kilometer" you almost get no hits at all. But if you need to be precise, as in "it's exactly 1,574 km from Smygehuk to Treriksröset", then mils will not do. But for rough distances longer than, say, 4 km, the mil is very handy and very frequent. One can also note that a Swedish car-owner will never say "this car has gone 300,000 km" but always "30,000 mil". Indeed, almost the only more-or-less official use of "mil" is in the concept of liter/mil as a measure of the fuel consumption of a car.
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